{"id":98210,"date":"2024-05-03T12:21:24","date_gmt":"2024-05-03T11:21:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/usagers-transports.haut-allier.eu\/?cop-aura-reunion-technique-2-a,1098"},"modified":"2024-05-03T12:21:24","modified_gmt":"2024-05-03T11:21:24","slug":"reunion-technique-cop-aura-a-lyon-efficace","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/massif-central.nous-voyageurs.eu\/?p=98210","title":{"rendered":"R\u00e9union technique COP AuRA \u00e0 Lyon : efficace ?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img class='spip_logo spip_logo_right spip_logos' alt=\"\" style='float:right' src='https:\/\/usagers-transports.haut-allier.eu\/local\/cache-vignettes\/L150xH113\/arton1098-1ab06.jpg?1714736420' width='150' height='113' \/><\/p>\n<div class='rss_texte'>\n<p>Nous avons particip\u00e9 \u00e0 cet \u00e9pisode dans les locaux de la DREAL apr\u00e8s le \u00ab show \u00bb en visio qui nous a \u00e9t\u00e9 donn\u00e9 le 27 mars. Nous \u00e9tions trois au nom du collectif AuRAil, Jean-Bernard Lemoine de AlpRail, Delphine Cabelguenne du Train634269 et Marc Gouttebroze des Usagers des transports du Haut Allier.<\/p>\n<p>Rapidement la t\u00e2che \u00e0 r\u00e9aliser fut indiqu\u00e9e et plusieurs groupes de travail form\u00e9s pour r\u00e9diger 5 \u00e0 6 \u00ab d\u00e9fis \u00bb compos\u00e9s de plusieurs \u00ab actions \u00bb pr\u00e9par\u00e9es lors de la 1\u00e8re r\u00e9union de d\u00e9cembre 2023.<\/p>\n<figure class='spip_document_3523 spip_documents spip_documents_center' style=\"max-width:3937px;\" data-w=\"3937\"> <a href='https:\/\/usagers-transports.haut-allier.eu\/IMG\/jpg\/img_20240502_141425a.jpg' arial-label=\"\" class=\"fond mediabox\" type=\"image\/jpeg\" data-photo-w=\"3937\" data-photo-h=\"2211\" > <picture style='padding:0;padding-bottom:56.159512319025%' class='conteneur_image_responsive_h'><img src='https:\/\/usagers-transports.haut-allier.eu\/index.php?action=image_responsive&#38;img=IMG\/jpg\/img_20240502_141425a.jpg&#38;taille=160&#38;1714732435' alt='' data-src='https:\/\/usagers-transports.haut-allier.eu\/IMG\/jpg\/img_20240502_141425a.jpg' data-l='3937' data-h='2211' data-tailles='[\\\"160\\\",\\\"320\\\",\\\"640\\\",\\\"1280\\\",\\\"1920\\\"]' data-autorisees='{\"160\":{\"1\":\"index.php?action=image_responsive&#38;img=IMG\\\/jpg\\\/img_20240502_141425a.jpg&#38;taille=160&#38;1714732435\",\"2\":\"index.php?action=image_responsive&#38;img=IMG\\\/jpg\\\/img_20240502_141425a.jpg&#38;taille=320&#38;1714732435\"},\"320\":{\"1\":\"index.php?action=image_responsive&#38;img=IMG\\\/jpg\\\/img_20240502_141425a.jpg&#38;taille=320&#38;1714732435\",\"2\":\"index.php?action=image_responsive&#38;img=IMG\\\/jpg\\\/img_20240502_141425a.jpg&#38;taille=640&#38;1714732435\"},\"640\":{\"1\":\"index.php?action=image_responsive&#38;img=IMG\\\/jpg\\\/img_20240502_141425a.jpg&#38;taille=640&#38;1714732435\",\"2\":\"index.php?action=image_responsive&#38;img=IMG\\\/jpg\\\/img_20240502_141425a.jpg&#38;taille=1280&#38;1714732435\"},\"1280\":{\"1\":\"index.php?action=image_responsive&#38;img=IMG\\\/jpg\\\/img_20240502_141425a.jpg&#38;taille=1280&#38;1714732435\",\"2\":\"index.php?action=image_responsive&#38;img=IMG\\\/jpg\\\/img_20240502_141425a.jpg&#38;taille=2560&#38;1714732435\"},\"1920\":{\"1\":\"index.php?action=image_responsive&#38;img=IMG\\\/jpg\\\/img_20240502_141425a.jpg&#38;taille=1920&#38;1714732435\",\"2\":\"index.php?action=image_responsive&#38;img=IMG\\\/jpg\\\/img_20240502_141425a.jpg&#38;taille=3840&#38;1714732435\"}}' class='image_responsive' style='max-width: 500px; max-height: 10000px' \/><\/picture> <\/a> <\/figure>\n<p>Le premier \u00ab d\u00e9fi \u00bb \u00e9tait : r\u00e9duire les d\u00e9placements (agir pour). Dans ce groupe de 4 personnes s&rsquo;est inscrite Delphine. Il a mis en avant des actions int\u00e9ressantes (\u00e9couter le compte-rendu audio en fin d&rsquo;enregistrement).<\/p>\n<p>Le deuxi\u00e8me \u00ab d\u00e9fi \u00bb avait pour th\u00e8me le ferroviaire. Marc et Jean-Bernard s&rsquo;y sont coll\u00e9s. Il y avait d&rsquo;autres groupes qui concernaient moins le train par exemple un sur la fameuse d\u00e9carbonation des transports en commun.<\/p>\n<p>Le groupe sur le ferroviaire \u00e9tait form\u00e9 de 6 personnes dont l&rsquo;animatrice, une personne de la R\u00e9gion Auvergne Rh\u00f4ne Alpes et une autre tr\u00e8s pr\u00e9sente de SNCF R\u00e9seau.<\/p>\n<p>Notre tableau de travail comportait des \u00ab actions \u00bb qui avaient \u00e9t\u00e9 choisies ant\u00e9rieurement et parmi elles des solutions farfelues : d\u00e9velopper les bus BHNS (alors que c&rsquo;est acquis et que la r\u00e9gion ne jure que par \u00e7a), d\u00e9velopper les SERM (alors que c&rsquo;est partout d\u00e9j\u00e0 engag\u00e9), d\u00e9velopper le covoiturage, d\u00e9velopper les solutions Maas, assister les collectivit\u00e9s dans la mise en oeuvre du covoiturage et du v\u00e9lo, former \u00e0 la pratique du v\u00e9lo et \u00e0 la marche&#8230; autant de voies qui soit sont d\u00e9j\u00e0 en cours, soit ne co\u00fbtent que tr\u00e8s peu \u00e0 la r\u00e9gion ou sont n\u00e9gligeables. Voir ci dessous :<\/p>\n<figure class='spip_document_3522 spip_documents spip_documents_center' style=\"max-width:3412px;\" data-w=\"3412\"> <a href='https:\/\/usagers-transports.haut-allier.eu\/IMG\/jpg\/img_20240502_151523ar.jpg' arial-label=\"\" class=\"fond mediabox\" type=\"image\/jpeg\" data-photo-w=\"3412\" data-photo-h=\"2778\" > <picture style='padding:0;padding-bottom:81.418522860492%' class='conteneur_image_responsive_h'><img src='https:\/\/usagers-transports.haut-allier.eu\/index.php?action=image_responsive&#38;img=IMG\/jpg\/img_20240502_151523ar.jpg&#38;taille=160&#38;1714732352' alt='' data-src='https:\/\/usagers-transports.haut-allier.eu\/IMG\/jpg\/img_20240502_151523ar.jpg' data-l='3412' data-h='2778' data-tailles='[\\\"160\\\",\\\"320\\\",\\\"640\\\",\\\"1280\\\",\\\"1920\\\"]' 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class='image_responsive' style='max-width: 500px; max-height: 10000px' \/><\/picture> <\/a> <\/figure>\n<p>T\u00f4t les deux personnes cit\u00e9es plus haut d\u00e9cid\u00e8rent de limiter notre champ de r\u00e9flexion avec des propos tels que \u00ab il faut penser l&rsquo;am\u00e9lioration dans le cadre de la politique de la r\u00e9gion \u00bb \u00ab non les bus \u00e0 haut niveau de service peuvent \u00eatre la bonne solution \u00bb&#8230; Ce qui nous a rapidement fait protester.<\/p>\n<p>Et il a \u00e9t\u00e9 tr\u00e8s difficile de par exemple :<br \/>\n<br \/><span class=\"spip-puce ltr\"><b>\u2013<\/b><\/span> chaque fois que nous parlions de ferroviaire faire remplacer le terme \u00ab maintenir \u00bb par \u00ab d\u00e9velopper \u00bb, alors que dans tous les domaines on sait que l&rsquo;offre et l&rsquo;\u00e9tat des infrastructures sont insuffisantes.<br \/>\n<br \/><span class=\"spip-puce ltr\"><b>\u2013<\/b><\/span> faire accepter qu&rsquo;il fallait interdire la mise en concurrence des modes de transports sur un m\u00eame trajet, mais plut\u00f4t favoriser la compl\u00e9mentarit\u00e9.<\/p>\n<p>Les mots d&rsquo;ordre avaient bien \u00e9t\u00e9 assimil\u00e9s par les repr\u00e9sentants de ces deux organismes : il n&rsquo;est pas question que la COP mette en cause les -mauvaises- poltiques de la R\u00e9gion et de SNCF R\u00e9seau concernant le train.<\/p>\n<p>Ainsi vous pouvez \u00e9couter l&rsquo;extr\u00eamement mi\u00e8vre compte-rendu du travail de notre groupe par la repr\u00e9sentante de la r\u00e9gion (les deux derni\u00e8res interventions).<\/p>\n<dl class='spip_document_3524 spip_documents spip_documents_player spip_documents_center spip_doc_player'>\n<dt class='spip_doc_titre player dewplayer'>\n<div class=\"mejs-audio-wrapper audio-wrapper\" style='width:200px;max-width:100%;margin:0 auto;'> <audio class=\"mejs mejs-3524 mejs__dewplayer\" data-id=\"8a242f2a005f3af97dcecbe443b2a800\" src=\"IMG\/mp3\/2024-05-02_2014.08.50-m.mp3\" type=\"\" 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